A Tale of Two Comments
It was the best of discussions; it was the worst of discussions…

Up to now, I have never had a formal comment policy. I guess I never wanted to make anyone think twice before adding their ideas to this forum. It is not as if I'm being overrun by comments or spending any time moderating them. I'm currently averaging a paltry 1.3 comments per post – and there are nearly 1000 posts without a single comment.

I realize that part of the lack of reader response is because I don't have that many readers. The other part is that much of my content is not geared toward generating comments. I usually post on amusing experiences or things I find entertaining. My best work is regarding issues that I feel passionate about, and those receive the most comments.

I love to receive comments (well, most of them) and prefer blogs that allow them. I completely understand why most blogs with astronomic readership are unable to keep up with them and eventually disable them. Yet the point of my little electronic realm is to express myself and test my political, social and religious views against the outside world. Comments are a key part of that process.

I appreciate feedback from readers who are of the same mind as myself, but the comments I covet the most are from those who have a different view and take the time to articulate why they feel the way they do. I have little use for an echo chamber; such things do little to improve myself or my readers.

That said, I must confess that yesterday I seriously contemplated removing all the comments from a few posts where the debate had degraded into personal attacks and statements impossible to back up. If the purpose in making your point is to beat someone else down, then it is not going to be a very good point.

This explains perfectly why the recent discussions have devolved into a series of sour notes:

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
I'm tired of the clanging. We don't have to kiss all over each other to show love; but we do need to understand that each participant is a person, and treat them with respect. Just because someone has a different opinion does not make them dumb. I find that I learn more and debate more effectively when I try to understand exactly what my opponent believes and how they arrived at those conclusions. Try it, it works.

Anyways, I have decided to adopt the following comment policy to help guide those who want to participate. These are not intended to deter anyone from posting; in fact, I think they should help encourage partipation.

KoF Comment Policy
  1. Address the topic at hand, not of the intelligence, appearance or genealogy of those you disagree with.
  2. Present opinion as opinion. If you are stating a fact, it needs to be backed up with some evidence. Something obvious to you may not be that way for others.
  3. Sweeping generalizations usually demonstrate ignorance and are easily proven incorrect. Avoid them unless you like serving up softballs to the other side.
  4. It is ok if someone doesn't agree with you or see the evidence you provide as compelling. Make your argument as a proof to yourself why your position is correct, instead of an attempt to convert your opponent.
  5. If you feel like you are just banging heads with other participants and the discussion is making no progress, it is fine to quietly drop out of the discussion. This is not considered surrender, as long as you redirect your comment energies to a different entry here at KoF.
Comments which do not follow these simple guidelines (especially #1) will be removed or possibly edited into compliance. (There is no guarantee that your fine arguments will survive intact.)
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I had to ban one of my early readers about a week or two ago. He was an okay guy when he wasn’t in one of his cycles. When he was on a cycle three was no reasoning with him. I tried to tolerate him for months and eventually had to end it. It’s times like these that blogging comments sort of suck.

(Okay, yes...I’m sort of buttering up all the judge type people. It helps to make freinds with those that can influence the outcome of things.)

Posted by: Jeremy - 07:57 AM - 02/22

I understand exactly what you’re talking about.  I’m glad that I don’t have that many readers who make ugly comments, but when I do I just delete them.

I just saw that another blogger has someone who began with comments and is now calling him at work and at home, stalking him. 

That stuff is really uncalled for and unfortunate.

Posted by: Phil Dillon - 09:07 AM - 02/22

I’ve been lucky.  I’ve had to delete one comment for a personal attack (against my girlfriend, I promise that is going to go unpunished).  The worst I get is people making fools of themselves with “CAPTIALZISM IS EEEVIL” comments.

As for stalking… everyone who registers a domain should use a service to protect themselves.  I use protectfly.com to keep my phone number and address from showing up on my WHOIS.

Posted by: Mark J - 10:02 AM - 02/22

I actually think I have more commenters who disagree with me than agree with me.

I’ve only ever deleted a handful of comments that weren’t spam (all of them were racist and added nothing to the post or conversation, one was a death threat to me).  Things get pretty wild over at my place at times but I’m not much inclined to start banning people.  When some of these idiots get going I honestly think they do a better job of proving my points than I do.  And I’m pretty easy going about stuff to, most of the time.  If being condescending toward me makes them feel better, so be it.  I could care less.

And I guess I’ve never been that worried about my name being on the internet.  As one who knows, that stuff is easy enough for any reasonably intelligent person to pull up regardless of the precautions you talk.  And stalkers are of little concern to me.

Its awfully hard to stalk a stalker.  Plus they have to come clear the hell out to the middle of the frozen tundra to do it.  Not very likely.

Posted by: Rob - 11:40 AM - 02/22

I definitely don’t want my comment threads to be full of ‘groupthink’.  I like opposing ideas to help solidify (or evolve) my own ideas.

If everything appears to be in black and white, then you’ve obviously set the contrast too high!

Posted by: - 11:49 AM - 02/22

I’ve only deleted the comments from one user, except for the occasional attempt to spam via my blog.  Although this user was attempting to be a gadfly, criticising everything I said, the real reason I deleted his comments and his account is that we have a long personal history that goes back over 20 years, and I just got tired of him.  In addition to deleting his account, and comments, I also informed him that I’d be glad to go the rest of my life and never have to lay eyes on him again.

I get few comments on my blog.  It’s weird.  Several of my posts have generated over 1000 reads, and very few if any comments.

I’ve seen some blogs use comment games.  Comment here, go there, comment there, and so on type of things.  It’s really strange.  Those things don’t interest me at all.  My blog is for posting my own interests and opinions.  What is it about comment games that can work with that?

Of course, I read a dozen blogs or more each day, and comment 1-3 times per week.  Maybe I’m to blame smile

Posted by: Lockjaw the Ogre - 01:43 PM - 02/22

Well, I’ll tell you what I do know!  If you want comments, then just write a post about comments (like this one). 

If you write it...they will come.

Posted by: - 01:50 PM - 02/22

Gotta call B.S. on this one.

The man said 1.3 per post and five of you crawl out of the woodwork to “me too”? I say B.S. Nobody will admit to watching Jerry Springer, but someone has to watch it for the ratings it draws. Genteel is boring, and boring doesn’t draw in eyeballs.

I bet y’all didn’t watch the O.J. chase either, right?

Never slowed down when passing a car wreck?

Do you read Playboy for the “articles”?

Watched even one Fear Factor?

One episode of Cops?

The numbers don’t lie, and the Yale/Milgram study show 65% of us would harm another human being just because someone said to do it. Face up to it, folks - The Romans didn’t go to the Coliseum for stimulating conversation. It is what and who we are, and show me someone who denies it and I will show you an expert at denying reality.

If you want to live in a fantasy world where everyone is prim, proper and oh so sophisticated then be my guest. Meanwhile, the rest of us are going to be out here in the real world slugging it out in real life with all the unpleasantness that goes with it. So do forgive my tracking up the lily-white carpeting of your ivory towers with all that nasty, inconvenient honesty.

I now return you to the regularly scheduled boredom.

Posted by: Buster - 06:52 PM - 02/22

What exactly is your point, Buster?  The King did this post as explanation for his new comment policy.  He doesn’t like brawling in the comments.  That’s understandable.  Its his party and he can invite who he wants to.

And read his policies.  These are just common sense things.  Basically they amount to an expectation of intellectual honesty and mutual respect.  What’s so wrong about that?

A few of us chimed in with our own comment experience.  I don’t see where that’s support for a “prim and proper” world.  Heck, if you want brawling head on over to my blog.

I think you need to lighten up a bit, bud.

Posted by: Rob - 07:01 PM - 02/22
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